#Cyberpeacefare #Thoreau Quote #Enlightened State

"There will never be a really free and enlightened state until the state comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power from which all its own power and authority are derived and treats him accordingly." HenryDavidThoreau

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Comment by ACHIRI ARNOLD NJI on February 10, 2015 at 10:51am
Val.. your position concerning the israelo- Palestinian conflict is rather neutral, and I'm afraid it won't help stop the firing of missiles into ashdot or the colonization of Jerusalem. we are talking about a conflict that started since 1967. let's look at this cycle- a Palestinian shoots at an Israeli because the Israeli army killed his family meaning he has to fend for himself. this causes the Israeli army to retaliate. the retaliation results to the killing of innocent Palestinians. the innocent Palestinians plan an attack on Israel. the cycle of death keeps on and on. we won't get a win-win solution because netanyahu doesn't want a unified state in Palestine. the US isn't even acting as a good mediator-from what I've been hearing, they are very concerned about the security of Israel. we are talking of a nuclear superpower with advanced combat capabilities. how does a unified Palestine become a threat to Israel? we need to be diplomatic, but we also need to have a sense of direction- not only saying who the bad guys are, but taking action to stop the bad guys!
Comment by Valentine Olushola Oyedipe on February 10, 2015 at 10:10am

The parts ofcours, cannot be greater than the whole or sum and the whole or sum is not complete without the parts. Thus any attempt of either to function or operate without the other is suicidal,. The State as an institution is a product of the individual with higher and independent mind.Laws made by Man are always relative when contextualized within the framework of morality.However, natural laws cannot be contested in this regard.This dovetails to the notion that human dignity must be upheld and cherished in whatever circumstances.The circumstances surrounding the long standing Israel and Palestine imbroglio calls for a win-win just solution. On many occasions, human dignity , human rights have been trample upon and grossly violated by both parties.The bottom line is that, it is high time that both parties took a bold step towards amicable solution in which the two  sides bear the brunts and the gains of the resolution in the name of tolerance, respect for human dignity, respect for human person and respect for international laws and treaties.The tensions between semetic and anti-semetic ideologies truly demand a great sense of caution by the US because of the strong ties with Israel but nevertheless, the Law as a double edged sword  be it natural or man made that must be able to cut both the mighty and the lowly in a democratic dispensation like this for global peace to reign in which due respect is given to the minority that is not at the detriment of the majority.Enough to insanity of Mankind in the Middle-East !

Comment by Al LeBlanc on February 6, 2015 at 2:00pm

Achiri:  See your point with regard to the Israeli-Palestinian Problem on why a majority of Israelis in a Democracy (who have undergone the holocaust) cannot mutually resolve the plight of the Palestinians to a Homeland.   Seems to me the majority of the people would want a "win-win just solution" to end what President Carter termed "apartheid"  Unless you're 100% strong supporter of Israel, a US Politician risk being branded "anti-semetic  " by the Powerful Zionist Lobby.  Takes Courage !

Comment by ACHIRI ARNOLD NJI on February 6, 2015 at 5:36am

thanks for the correction. these are just some of the consequences of "universalization and generalization of laws". i am african and i've heard countless and horrible stories about apartheid south Africa. in the world we live, we always have to choose between" two evils". your take is that the existence of "immoral laws" in South Africa promoted the apartheid. in one case, it may be the problem, and in another case, it maybe a solution. lets take the Israelo-palestinina conflict- Israel has violated more international laws than any country i know of. Jews being the principal victims of the "HOLOCAUST" should understand better than any other person on earth what it means to be "PROSECUTED". yet they have prosecuted hundreds of thousands of Palestinians under the pretense that their security is at stake. another irony is the fact that every leader in the UN knows that ISrael is violating international law by colonizing occupied territories. No leader has the balls to condemn this firmly because of fear of being described as "ANTISEMITIC". the leaders say that "people should not make an amalgam between events that are not related" , yet i dont see the relationship between Anti semitism of today and the SHOAH in Nazi Germany. lets be clear on this fact- the non respect of international law is causing the Chaos in the middle east. if the international community could repulse Iraq when they occupied kuwait, why cant they repulse Israel when they occupy east Jerusalem. like i said before, leaders always have to choose between "two evils- or let me say double standards". let me correct my initial statement;

 " ANYTHING THAT ERODES THE RULE OF A MORAL LAW IS IMMORAL, NO MATTER WHAT NAME WE GIVE IT". its rather unfortunate that we always have diverging ideas dear Al. well that's the reason why we are here-to learn how to accommodate the different visions and to learn new things. you jsu reminded me that not all laws are moral.

Comment by Al LeBlanc on February 5, 2015 at 9:23am

Achiri:  Do not agree with hypothesis "anything that erodes the rule of law is immoral, no matter what name we give it".  For example, past laws on segregation/apartheid are immoral.laws. per se.  Al

Comment by ACHIRI ARNOLD NJI on February 5, 2015 at 6:53am

true, but in a complex society where one man's meat can be another man's poison, would it not be necessary to set rules of engagement? the law doesn't exist to imprison people, but that through it, people can be held accountable-anything that erodes the rule of law is immoral, no matter what name we give it. " a people that sets its privileges above its principles soon loses both" Dwight D. Eisenhower

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